Ncube, Nyarota have lost their bearings

Ncube, Nyarota have lost their bearings

MUGABE and Tsvangirai

• Brighton Musonza: Trevor and Geoff spread confusion

• Lance Guma: Trevor has lost the plot

• Ncube: Zimbabwe needs 'third way' solution

• Nyarota: Time may be ripe for third force

Veteran journalist Trevor Ncube has put forward a 'third force' argument as the only route to rescue Zimbabwe. Another journalist Geoff Nyarota has put forward a similar view. The curious timing of their arguments - just days before an important election - has got many of you talking. Below are some of your comments

Editor - I have read Brighton Musonza's contribution to this debate with some sadness. I am disappointed that we appear to have lost our passion for a good debate that produces a market place of ideas. Why is it that when we disagree with somebody's views we call them names and seek to vilify them?

Why can we not engage in a debate and agree to disagree in a civil and polite manner without calling each other names. And why should we always search for agendas as a way of discrediting the views of those we disagree with.

I am beginning to think that the intolerance from those that have been in power over the past 25 years has poisoned our national psych. I subscribe to the view that for us to grow as a people and a nation we must think freely and engage in passionate rational disputation. It is not important that we agree all the time.

By the way I am in Zimbabwe to ensure that I do my democratic duty this week. I get the sense that MDC will do far much better than they did in the last parliamentary elections. I will be surprised if they get less than 65 seats in parliament. I pray that voting will be peaceful.

Happy and clean debating to all.
Trevor Ncube
Chief Executive Officer
Mail & Guardian

"I get the sense that MDC will do far much better than they did in the last parliamentary elections. I will be surprised if they get less than 65 seats"

TREVOR NCUBE

Editor - Please could l have Trevor Ncube's email. This guy MUST GO TO HELL!! Or let him go to Tsholotsho and join his friend to campaign!! He is Zanu PF proper ngaaende zvakanaka kunoita minister of propaganda of the defunct Zanu PF government!!!!
Goddie
New Zealand

Editor - If Trevor is thinking of joining his old friend Jonathan and enter into politics, he should move out of his safe hiding place in SA and join the reality on the ground.
Peter Mushore

Editor - Following the current debate on whether Zimbabwe needs a third force or not, I found myself on the side of the little known student Musonza. As a fellow journalist I found Trevor Ncube and Geoff Nyarota's views more of the brainchild of high school boys. I respect the two but in this case their arguments were as confusing as the current Zimbabwean situation.

The Zimbabwean situation at the moment can only be best solved by having two main parties battling it out and when we have true democracy in the country we then can establish a system that best suits all political parties to participate in elections in a free and fair atmosphere. The creation of many parties at the moment is a winning ticket for the ruling party. It simply creates more chaos in a very unstable environment. It therefore baffles me why common sense is not common with the likes of Nyarota and Ncube. These two are supposed to be seasoned journalists who over the years should have leant a lot from what has been going on in the country. Their comments leave me thinking they are better off joining the political idiot Jonathan Moyo who is doing exactly what they are suggesting. If Jonathan Moyo were to get enough educated fools to follow him and they would convince some voters to vote for them, who wins? Even if they do not win a seat they would have succeeded in weakening the opposition and it is only one man who benefits, no need to mention names. Do you really need rocket science to figure out that?

I believe if your brains are properly screwed on, you would know that we have come a long way and it is time for change. Furthermore whether we like it or not; or which ever party you belongs to, you would have to accept that change is on the way. It is rather a question of when. We either have to sensibly bring the change or wait for nature to take its cause and wait for change when Mugabe dies. We are not guaranteed that waiting for Mugabe to die will bring the change that we desire as we do not know what will happen afterwards. On the other hand we have the choice of using what is above our shoulders to think and not just for hats to sit on.
David Mwanaka
UK

Editor - Although Lance Guma seems to have gotten most of his facts correct about Trevor's thinking on his third force solution philosophy, I think to imagine that Trevor is putting this idea from a businessman's perspective or he is just being pompous is quite far fetched and accords him some reasonableness that was lacking in his article.

Ncube as a self confessed friend of Professor Moyo, is merely trying to put up an argument, with a clear intention of trying to salvage the dying political career of his colleague and maybe homeboy (Ask Tuku about Home Girls). It is clear Lance that at the top of the list of third way (force) candidates will be the professor, what with his link to an "independents forum" which is a political party in the making. It does not matter, whichever way you look at it, Moyo's political future is doomed (not that he will not win Tsholostho on 31/03), unless Zimbabweans are confused into buying into this third way nonsense. If it's about Tsholotsho or Matabeleland, the MDC has in its senior ranks, people from Matabeleland who are a very clear about the needs of the region and indeed of the whole country. Moyo has been known to speak through Newspaper Editors and no one would have imagined the previously respected Ncube sinking so low as to become a conduit of Moyo's machinations. Ncube should answer the question why his Zim Salvation theory is coming a few days before the election, well after the nomination court has sat and the ballot boxes are on their way to the polling stations.

We also have observed Ncube that even though your independent papers survived the Moyo Media onslaught, surely by the grace of God, and by the same grace one of your papers was the first to be granted a lengthy interview by the learned Professor.Talk about yourselves as being the chosen ones.

As for Geoff Nyarota, perhaps he is still bitter about his firing from the Daily News and seeing that his former Masters have been linked to the MDC, it could be some "sympathy" with Trevor targeted at them.

I would like to urge fellow Zimbabweans not to be fooled by these third way suggestions and remain focused in returning Zimbabwe to normalcy. The likes of Trevor are well fed lunatics,who have never contributed a single dollar (Zim) to the growing armies of the sick and hungry and have the courage to want to sacrifice everyone, for the benefit of well fed friends.
Lubaka Malaba
Mozambique

"I get the sense that MDC will do far much better than they did in the last parliamentary elections. I will be surprised if they get less than 65 seats"

TREVOR NCUBE

Editor - Musonza as much as you might call Nyarota and Ncube neo liberals, you only have to look at the MDC's policies to see who is really a neoliberal here. Even Munyaradzi Gwisai when he was a member of the MDC had problems with MDC policy because of neoliberal nature.
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I'm not claiming to speak for Zanu or MDC because Zanu itself has implemented neoliberal policies in the past.

The MDC has been successful in strengthening our democracy after 25 years of Mugabe monopolistic rule, we have to give them that. But transforming the economy is another story. What we don't want is to have cosmetic changes in which we will be dominated by foreign coorporations. Change means the people become the real stake holders of wealth in the country, which I do'nt see happening with the MDC. Already the MDC is saying that white farmers are gone and people are unemplyed we going to change this. How are they going to change this? What they should be telling the peole is that we going to educate you after being neglected by Zanu and give you the skills necessary to run the economy.

Since independence the education system has been geared to make people work in adminstartive positions, without much emphasis on practical. Had Mugabe really wanted to do effective land reform, he should have made it a policy to equip the people with the necessary skills so that by now we would not be experiencing huge problems as the people would have known what to really do with the land. As much as you might want to deny it, the MDC is western-backed and once they are in power, it will be impossible for them to exclude their western allies from business deals and all sorts of favours, just look at Ukraine the western backed candidate won the election and now Ukraine is a playing ground for competing multinationals.

On the call for a third way, no-one can decide because if a 'third way' is supposed to happen it will happen. As we go to the polls, the choice is really whether you want democracy or not. All this Restart and look east policy is just weak policy that will enhace the already well to do, offering cosmetic chnges to the suffering masses of Zimbabwe who need real change.
Tendai
Canada

Editor - What is wrong with Trevor's opinion? We want leaders of INTEGRITY, NOT JUST ALTERNATIVES.
Z Zikhali
Bulawayo

Editor - I would like to take this opportunity to thank Lance Guma for hiw contribution to the thid force topic. Guma has got a point Trevor is trying to influence us with his views. I tend to wonder why his papers are the only independent papers left in Zim. Are they really independent papers or they are used to make it appear as if in Zimbabwe we have some independent papers?

Trevor wants to influence people so that ZANU can get the required two thirds majority for constitutional reform. A seasoned journalist like Trevor must be analytical and must make sure that his timing is right not to influence decisions he is not comfortable with. I for one recommends that we as the masses boycot buying his two papers.

The other person who made an analysis is Geoff Nyarota. Yes he is entitled to his opinion BUT to go on that onslaught against Prof Moyo is unwarranted. Geoff Nyarota is the one who was at the Chronicle when people from Matabeleland were being butchered in the 1980s and he is the very same person who was saying the people being killed are dissidents. What is he trying to put across. When it involves the people of Matabeleland he is not happy WHY? Johno spoke of Zezurus and that ruffled Geoff's feathers. In life people tend to have different experiences. Geoff must not forget that during the run up to the previous elections he used to fabricate some stories, whatever analysis he is making must not be taken seriously. He is attacking Prof Moyo what for? Is it because he is the first politician from Matabeleland who has managed to bring some development to the region or what. Here we are not concerned about the differences between these two guys, we are looking at what Prof can do for us as a people, for us as the People of Matland. If Prof becomes our next Josh so be it we are fine with it. We want someone from ekhaya who can push for our interests to be elected into power for the development of the marginalised Matland. Geoff has shown how tribalistic he is. I want to say to Geoff hands off the Prof yingane yakwethu.

Viva Johno qhubekela phambili lomsebenzi omuhle, uwafake abe maningi amatowerlight uze ufake lakithi koGodlwayo Prof Moyo.
Ivumile Luyanda Mthangala

Editor - You see benzangamabomo oNyarota kodwa iqiniso bayalazi. Yesterday they were with them and they were lying and killing people for believing what they now also believe in.
No Name

Editor - Should Nyarota show persistency and consistency with the line of thought he has displayed today, then I will forgive him for all the sins he committed in reasonce with Zanu PF yesterday. That is if my President and our vice President J Msika approves.
Silent Observer

Editor - For all the sensible things Geoff Nyarota has written in the past, the above subject and article is utter rubbish. What a waste of my time reading it. I am disgusted.
Mtshede Vundla
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